I like to put some Bore Butter into the mouth of each cylinder on top of each ball. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. Pretty simple. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Model: 1858. If a conversion cylinder (to shoot black powder cowboy loads) Personally, I use wonder wads, commercially available round pieces of felt soaked in oil and wax (or you can make your own), between the ball and the powder. After just 2 shots it seizes up and wont cock. The thing now runs great, and I enjoy shooting it when I do. The wish list gets longer, but the disposable income remains the same. Unless the revolvers were actualy made before Jan 1. By Before one can change a cylinder on the Colt Design, the pistol has to be field stripped, and just imagine yourself as a United States Cavalryman, trying to hold his excited horse under control, as he strips the Colt Type revolver down into thee parts, then somehow, (It helps to be ambidextrous & double Jointed!) All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. I did know enough about black powder to use soap and water and clean until the bubbles showed white with no discoloration, but I screwed up and did not fully disassemble the cylinder and firing mechanism and after three months in storage (before and after a move) it was a rusty mess. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. It was a great pointer and very accurate. This was very helpful, Im thinking about buying one of these pistols and this gave a lot of information about the pistol and the of it. The 1858 Remington has safety notches cut into the cylinder in between the nipples, giving the un-cocked hammer a place to rest thats not on a percussion cap. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . I had the same problem. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Not Richards Mason, but Richards like Tom Selleck had in "Sabre River". If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. Bore and chambers in very good+ 36 Caliber; 97% blue, very good+ bore, very good+ grips, 6.58'' barrel, Pietta Remington 1858 revolver, 6 shot, 36. caliber with very good bore and chambers, slight surface corrosion in the chambers. View cart for details. Blue in very good 44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. The Remington on the other hand, was very WELL DESIGNED, and was considered to be one of the strongest Percussion Revolvers ever made, It also had a very superior Sighting System, with the rear sight a notch in the frame, and a post or blade foresight at the end of the barrell,, at the tip! Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. This may a bit late, but I just got here. No. Plain walnut grips. THERE ARE NO .45 Colt; 98% blue, very good+ bore, near mint grips, 3'' barrel, UBERTI CATTLEMAN REPRODUCTION OF A COLT SHERIFS MODEL IN EXCELLENT USED CONDITION. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. If you load it with 30 grains, you get about 200 ft-lbs energy. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. It can eat load of 40 grains all day. I am sure it will do for deer. The 1858 is the modern name for the Remington New Model Army/Navy revolvers, which were introduced circa 1863. They are two different Italian firearms manufacturing companies. Rolling About 200 ft-lbs Energy So based upon my experience, ASM is a solid hit or a wide miss. Model: 1858. For Civil War pistoleros the best way to rapidly reload any cap-and-ball revolver, including the 1858, was to carry several of them, like this other guya Confederate guerilla from Missouri. Not to mention that shooting 58 Remington reproduction is just an absolute hoot. He took the gun back. Thanks in advance. I suggest going to the local gun shop and ask if there are any cowboy action shooters around. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting I HAVE A 1858 44CAL. Remington. These are considered antiques and not subject to paper work. Ive got a friend in the Hill Country who is a maniac on the topic of hunting Bambis mom. The emphasis on having antlers to hang on the wall has led to a ratio of 20 does per buck, which is not a stable gene pool. Youre only hunting if you sharpen a stick and use it as a spear. It was just the size of a small outfit, like 4-5 people there and I saw mostly lever rifles parts (might be they got their pistol from other sources). Not only is that the right way to hunt, deer that go down fast and clean taste better. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. thereof. My days of reloading by the thousands are past, so a pair of these are a real find at less then $300 bucks. The book calls for using 3Fg, on the can it will read as FFFg. I wasn't there. . Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. The same dimensional differences for width, etc will occur with the triggerguard and backstrap at the frame, but the screw pattern is always right on. LaHood was put down by the miner the Preacher had been helping using a buffalo gun at about 5 yards. WebAN ARMI SAN MARCO pistol is currently worth an average price of $286.19 new and $274.52 used . Bah! A black powder gun IS NOT considered a fire arm! There will be no records if you send a physical order and payment via U.S. Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. They tell me that they inspect every gun they get and wont sell anything they dont think is high quality, and I believe it. The cylinder! Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. They thought if they started raising the price on their guns to in the, same range as Uberti that all the problems would go away. If you do this you dont need a wad. My First Colt Style Gun, and my Last Colt style gun! I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it, other than losing the ejector housing screw. To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. Can anyone tell me a good load to start? Claimed copyright infringement. We raise cattle, same thing. You are to be congratulated in Choosing the BEST designed Black Powder Percussion revolver on the Market! Still have one that is now a back up. and practise with that heavy load! A standard 1858s barrel measures eight inches. Same as for buying an 1873 Colt Peacemakerjust because it was designed prior to 1899 doesnt mean that you can have it shipped to your door. Same thing with the barrels. Ive been pretty satisfied with Clean Shot sub, and it smokes a lot less and produces significantly less fouling. Although original 1858s were finished in a very uniform blue, I particularly like the color-case hardening on the frame and the plain-jane, oil-finished grips. View more auctions here. So, they tended to go out of time prematurely, particularly for CAS. Very cool stuff. 1860 Henry Manual. A lot of their workers did not want to move out of town where all the gun makers were located, so ASM lost a lot of their talent which started their quality problems. ; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1872 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT+ CONDITION. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. -drop safety-Hammer - Z52747, Lussignoli Renzo W. Moore/ London Reproduction - C53214, A. Uberti & C. Mod.1875 Army could be in your future, you would want a steel frame pistol instead of brass. FEMALE PEOPLE, Riding into the sunset in a living room near you, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, Bayou Bounty Hunters, Deadwood Marshals, Border Vigilantes, Damascus Wildlife Rangers, Thurmont Rangers, Westshore Posse, Monocacy Illregulars, Potomac Rangers, Cedar Valley Vigilantes, Granite City Gunslingers, Chorro Valley Regulators, Home of The John Wayne Shoot-Out now The SASS Western Regional, The ORIGINAL Pozo River Vigilance Committee, Tejas Caballeros, Texican Rangers, Green Mountain Regulators, Plum Creek Shooting Society, Chorro Valley Regulators, Pozo River Vigilence Committee, piru hole in wall, deadwood boys and ojai desperados, Firelands Peacemakers,Tusco Long Riders, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Sandusky Regulators, Brown Twp. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. Nope. One good smack on the percussion caps, and BOOM! Black Powder Revolver Manual. Silliness aside, I had little to no interest in black powder until I was at the range next to an older fellow firing rounds through an old muzzle loader rifle. Theres something fun about putting the Glock 30 away and taking out the Peacemaker. I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. Retail $300. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS MILD OXIDATION. Which further compromised the already doubtfull Accuracy of the Colt Style revolver! Max load? One of the knocks against the 1858 Remington is that the cylinder tends to bind on the cylinder pin as the pistol gets fouled, and Bore Butter, or even some Crisco, helps keep that cylinder turning smoothly all day long. The owner was very knowledgeable about his business. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. Ryw, they sued, but I thought it was because "people would see PeaceKEEPER and think it was a PeaceMAKER". You know youve got a good, airtight seal in the chamber when the mouth of the cylinder shaves a small lead ring off the edge as you seat the ball. So I fire the shotgun first now, and cuss at the rammer, and have 9 chambers of wholy fun otherwise. The reason is that .44 is the muzzle diameter. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST There is some variability between brands of caps as well as manufacture of nipples. Though the guns be identical, the first is free of any legal imcumberance, while the second has an FFL holder and a waiting period to deal with. THE .44 Spec. It required something Long and thin, preferably with a hook at its end, to fish the Mashed and Mangled remains of the cap, out of the Innards of the gun, before Battle could once more be joined! The conversion cylinder is indeed just a part, and can be bought anywhere any time any place. I know! Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 Recently heard a story about ASM, that they moved out of the big city to a smaller town in the country. I have an Italian-made 1858 replica with an R&D conversion cylinder. WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. 1873 Single Action Manual. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. Fine review with everything that makes a gun review great: guns, history and guns. All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Meat harvesting is whats done here in Texas. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. I had one and stupidly traded it for a nice 1911. If yoiui can keep all six shots in a four inch circle, at whatever range you think you are likely to see a deer, then take your Remington Percussion Revolver hunting. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) At that price, I bought it. Well its interesting still. I shot ASM 58's in my early years. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. They now make a 92 rifles, but it does function better than the old ASM 92's. Remington. The safety notch feature makes it easy to safely carry a fully-loaded 1858 Remington. It is a very pretty gun with a 24 octogon barrel and a case hardened receiver. But it's action Oh, it's action REALLY stank. One was an early 50s bolt-action Savage Sporter in .25-20, which would do everything at 125 yards you could reasonably expect from a good .22 at 50. Many folks have made the same mistake, though. Finally, different guns will perform differently with different sized balls (or conicals), and that is something to experiment with as well. I bought a pietta model 1858 used and still havent fired it yet. Check out our forum: Then, I took it to a gunhack who buggered the threads. I have developed a load for this gun, I call, The Medical Examiners Special! I call it thus, because I am convinced that anyone who tried to assault me, and who I hit Fair & Square twixt Wind & Water with it, well, the only Doctor who would be able to assist the person thus shot, would be The Medical Examiner! With heavier charges, its good to go when trying to put Bambis mother in the freezer. THE LOCK IS IN THE WHITE. My theory was that the chamber pressure was too high and the percussion cap was pushing the hammer back causing the cylinder to try to rotate while the ball was passing from the cylinder to the forcing cone. Shooting, Reading, Riding my Horses, Maintaining my Ranch, Conversing With Friends and Family, Fixing Guns, (good) Old Western Movies, CAS, guns and shooting, guitar, reading, writing, CAS, shooting of any kind, music, baseball, THINGS THAT GO BANG! The Remington cost about 50 cents more per copy than the various Colt models, due to the top strap frame construction, and was not as widely issued. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. PS: if you want to do more target shooting, but find yourself having to sell your wife, EAA (European/American Arms (Germany) makes some beautiful peacemakers replicas in everything from 44 mag to 22 LR (the latter comes with a second cylinder for the robust little 22 magnum). Remington. Parts are still available on a limited basis from VTI. Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. My question is, How close to the Old Army is this Pietta 1858 New Army .44 cal? Any rifle, pistol or shotgun made prior to that majic date is paper free. I have a pieta with aftermarket Tresso nipples that do not fit the standard Remington capstoo loose, but fit Dynamil Nobel caps perfectly. oops! In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. My 1858 is an Uberti model previously owned by a North-South Skirmish Association member. Used, bore is dirty, grips are worn. Stainless steel. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 (#% or 40 grains.) It would sure be cool to see a review of the Colt competitors
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